Support the troops!

Though if they end up with PTSD, feel free to chalk it off to unpreparedness and/ord youth. Cindy McCain says so*:

Q: But no cold sweats in the middle of the night?

McCAIN: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. My husband, he’d be the first one to tell you that he was trained to do what he was doing. The guys who had the trouble were the 18-year-olds who were drafted. He was trained, he went to the Naval Academy, he was a trained United States naval officer, and so he knew what he was doing.

Luckily it was a troops-supporting Republican wife who said it. Had it been Michele Obama, Fox News would be unable to broadcast due to having their entire staff’s heads explode. The rest of the media would be taking turns with the smelling slats, at least.

*Via Think Progress.


10 Responses

  1. I don’t get where anyone on either side of the political war would have a legitimate problem with that statement from a Republican or a Democrat.

    Now, Mrs. Obama can’t say something like that because she has no experience being married to a man who never served in the military.

  2. Your first paragraph: She is saying that a very real, and very bad condition that lots of people who have served in the military suffer, is something that only happens to unprepared little kids, not you know, real military people. So it’s implying that if you got it, you were either just a young kid who pissed his pants in fear or not well prepared. You know, dismissing all those well prepared people who’ve fought in wars who came back with PTSD.

    Your second paragraph just doesn’t make any sense at all. While Cindy is married to a vet while Michele isn’t, that has absolutely nothing to do with knowing about how PTSD works and how one would get it. Does she also know how to fly a fighter plane because of who she wed?

    Wait, were you being snarky and I just completely bought it?

  3. No, Mrs. McCain was correctly stating that during a time of protracted war trained volunteers with some experience have a much lower occurrence of PTSD than young draftees.

    My second point was a caveat to my first point of the statement holding no grounds for complaint by either political camp. Mrs. Obama – not being the wife of a combat veteran – can’t say something like Mrs. McCain did without raising the ire of Conservatives. Essentially, she hasn’t earned the privilege to comment on such things in their eyes.

  4. Vietnam was the last war fought with volunteers. What about all the men and women with PTSD from the first Gulf War and the current one? Did they not “know what they were doing”? Were they just scared little boys?

    And you are being redundant, Michele Obama cannot say anything that won’t raise the ire of Conservatives. Also, just because they will get angry without valid reason doesn’t mean their “reasons” make any sense. Cindy McCain wasn’t just commenting on her husband, she was commenting on everybody who’s suffered PTSD. Honestly, are you telling me if Laura Bush had said this (Bush having never seen combat himself), conservatives wouldn’t like it because she hasn’t earned the “privilege”? Are you serious?

  5. The first Gulf War was a different scenario. The US had been “at peace” for a generation and most of the people who joined the military had little expectation of seeing combat. This resulted in a lot of people enlisting who wouldn’t have done so voluntarily during Vietnam. They really didn’t have an understanding of what they were signing up for – especially the large numbers of the National Guard who were called up for combat.

    I’ll give you the point on Mrs. Obama. After her previous comments, few are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

  6. Are you agreeing with Cindy McCain’s implication that only scared little unprepared boys get PTSD? That no Real Military Men worth their weight in salt gets it?

  7. I disagree with your assertion that this was even Cindy McCain’s implication, so it’d be impossible for me to agree with question you posed.

    PTSD is more common among soldiers who were not as well trained and / or not mentally prepared to undergo combat conditions. Draftees – and to a slightly lesser extent enlistees in peace time – are more likely to not be mentally prepared or suited to undergoing extended combat duty without suffering psychological consequences.

    It’s not a matter of “scared little unprepared boys” or that PTSD is anything to be ashamed of, which IS the implication of what you’ve said. It’s a matter of mental preparedness and training giving soldiers a shield against becoming that sort of casualty.

  8. I’d like for you to point out where Cindy McCain says it’s only “more likely” amongst less prepared people.

    “The guys who had the trouble were the 18-year-olds who were drafted”

    Do you have some access to Cindy McCain’s thought process that I’m missing? How, just reading the quote, can you come to the very generous conclusion that she didn’t really mean what she actually said?

    Not to mention the “Oh no no no no no no.” Clearly this doesn’t make it seem like she thinks men like her husband would never be afflicted by PTSD. Not at all.

    Really, try to forget who it was that said this. Then read it again. I’d like to hear how that quote leads to a conclusion other than “Well trained men like my husband (whoever that might be), don’t suffer PTSD.”

  9. Parse her statements however you want to. You’re going to read one set of meaning into them and I’m going to read another. We’re not going to agree.

  10. Look, “agreeing to disagree” applies to arguments made. I hope I have made clear why it is that when I read that quote, it leads me to believe that in Mrs. McCain view well trained men don’t get PTSD. You are welcome to point out any holes in my logic.

    Now you, on the other hand, have only argued about how it is “more likely” for untrained men to get PTSD than well trained ones. And how PTSD is not something to be ashamed of. But this has nothing to do with this. Mrs. McCain is not making those points, you are.

    Again, I’m puzzled as to how you are reading that quote. So please, don’t act like I’m ignoring your arguments, you’re not making any that pertain to what Cindy McCain said. I’m not trying to force you to agree with me, I’m trying to understand what it is that you are reading.

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